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My C10 is Bent! Let's Fix it with A Better Way to Bend and Notch Tubing! Finnegan's Garage Ep.129 

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For years Newbern and I have struggled to build rollcages without wasting a lot of time and tubing. Well, thanks to the recent purchase of some innovative tools and a few tips from a fellow NOsectionsr, we just leveled-up our cage game! In this video we'll demonstrate how to use the tool kit from
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as we finish up the cage on my 1967 Chevrolet C10 sport truck. This is the truck with the 650hp supercharged Chevrolet Performance LT4 crate engine, the 6xdgearbox.com billet aluminum sequential manual transmission, the independent rear suspension, Forgeline 20-inch wheels and Mittler Bros hydraulically adjustable Hydroshox!

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-Finnegan

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SS4130
SS4130 6 dager siden
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Scott Kaercher
Scott Kaercher 14 dager siden
I can worm it's not hard to do.
Jeffery Kaighin
Jeffery Kaighin 2 måneder siden
Love your channel Brother! Getting lots of ideas for my 67!
David Anderson
David Anderson 2 måneder siden
The marks your useing,is the same way I have been bending tubes for years, I am a electrician, running conduit, water pipes,or exhaust, brake lines all work same principle,each die set up you use, you make the gauge, each bender is different, saves lots of headaches, good job by the way, like the headers you did on other video
shugga leaf
shugga leaf 2 måneder siden
Check out Kyle vaus* @ the fab forum's on NOsections! Especially on Friday! You might need that tool!
Harry Ascroft
Harry Ascroft 3 måneder siden
May have already sorted the power steering but if you check out bad obsession motorsports project binky they use a stand alone power steering pump with its own electric motor. From memory it’s out of a Mercedes. I will find the episode.
Kyle Barnett
Kyle Barnett 3 måneder siden
Probably too late now but ep3 civic si and mid sw20 mr2 had an elec/hydraulic power steering pump that are affordable and reliable.
alec farmer
alec farmer 3 måneder siden
Yep
AUSTIN
AUSTIN 4 måneder siden
YOOOOOOOOO, holley makes a hydralic steering pump mount for LT's and once you have that, you shouldn't have any problems mounting a steering rack wherever ends up being the best place for it. dont worry about relying on a mount kit for the rack, they are so easy to mount wherever you want.
hotrods woodshed
hotrods woodshed 4 måneder siden
based on what I understand, that curved pipe is not fully efficient without triangulation. In other words, that aspect of your cage connection is only as strong as that pipe Bend. Which isn't very strong... and that is where triangulation comes into play. There needs to be another bar anchoring down to the frame in the opposite direction to give a triangle effect for that top bar to solidly hold
Marcus Woodard
Marcus Woodard 4 måneder siden
Did you guys put a coat of clear on that test pipe? Great idea btw.
MaxTheSunBro
MaxTheSunBro 5 måneder siden
Friggin LAYZAR!
burt bacarach
burt bacarach 5 måneder siden
You ALMOST cost me a computer with the 'worm' comment!I just about sprayed my keyboard down with coke! But wait...If Cotten has super powers to do the worm (and I'd say he does) does that make him SUPER WORM?
Keith Thompson
Keith Thompson 5 måneder siden
This kind of thing always takes me so long to accomplish. Glad it takes you guys a long time too. Makes me feel better.
Zach Costello
Zach Costello 5 måneder siden
Volvo S40's have an electric power steering pump if you want to keep they hydraulic rack
Peter Stoltz
Peter Stoltz 5 måneder siden
You guys are awesome!!!💯💯💯I still watch ROADKILL and I'm glad to find your channel 😀😊
Allen Messmer
Allen Messmer 5 måneder siden
Right on brother you guys rock.
Zack Vanderlinden
Zack Vanderlinden 5 måneder siden
Next time measure from the mark on the firewall to the laser point (approx. 23:30) with the straight edge (leaving the cheater on the frame adapter). That way you can do the job by your self and It should be more accurate.
Noah James
Noah James 5 måneder siden
Holley makes a really nice mid mount accessory drive system for the LS and LT.
M Astley
M Astley 5 måneder siden
Newbern should wear at least gloves and even long sleeves while he welds... I know an old welder who exclusively wears thick leather gloves because as he puts it, his hands are his moneymakers. If he injures a hand he's out of a job.
John Innis
John Innis 5 måneder siden
I don't understand marking the "center" of the tube before you have started cutting and welding. When you are just dealing with a straight piece of pipe like that, ANY straight line (if it is thin enough) is a center line. Just set the tube on a piece of angle and trace the edge of the angle onto the tube. If it is short enough, a doorjamb works great for this. Till your wife asks why there are sharpie marks all over the doorjambs...
Layton Hammann
Layton Hammann 5 måneder siden
Is there a link for the 3d printed tools in this video?
TheBisquik
TheBisquik 5 måneder siden
@23:30 couldn’t you also just measure from the laser pointer to the desired mark on the fire wall
Ryan Purtteman
Ryan Purtteman 5 måneder siden
It will mark the center of your tube as long as your not using a plastic table
G FAMILY
G FAMILY 5 måneder siden
Sandrails are using the Electric steering columns from prius and other vehicles. Works great.👍
JayinMI
JayinMI 5 måneder siden
Most people seem to be using Asian electrical power steering. Toyota units are very popular.
Religions Is About Magic
Religions Is About Magic 5 måneder siden
Lookin nice, some company makes an low profile adjustable electric power steering kits that mounts below the steering collar. Should stop thanking the magic god/jesus as their is over 3000's of these magic gods around the world. Plus no evidence of any of them. All religions have some sort of issues with sex abuse towards children and women.
Hall's Autobody & Paint
Hall's Autobody & Paint 5 måneder siden
I absolutely love watching your videos mate. Thoroughly enjoying them here in the UK
Sara Barnes
Sara Barnes 5 måneder siden
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Gene King
Gene King 5 måneder siden
I like what you do but this truck has kind of lost it's soul along the way eh. It's a c10 like a nascar is a mustang
Zack Hedrick
Zack Hedrick 5 måneder siden
A Toyota mr2 electric power steering pump would fix you up for sure.
Scottimus Garrett
Scottimus Garrett 5 måneder siden
The Worm scene just killed me, dude...😂
Jok3y Jesu3
Jok3y Jesu3 5 måneder siden
Older mr2 electric power steering pump like the formula supra
Derek Hansen
Derek Hansen 5 måneder siden
Mike, use a manual rack and a Prius or yaris electric column, it's a 3 wire hook up and provides a decent amount of assistance.👍
T Friesen
T Friesen 5 måneder siden
Without scrolling through the current amount (849) comments, did anyone mention that when you bend a tube, the wall thickness of the outside radius of the bend is actually thinner? Check the thickness of the tube (as any NHRA chassis inspector would) and see what the thickness of the tubes are in the bends. If the cage is to be certified (which I doubt) for any kind of racing, I’m sure the inspectors will check that the tubes are the same wall thickness.
Kellen Hunt
Kellen Hunt 5 måneder siden
Newbern Looks good and tired at the beginning of the video. Don't you let him sleep Finnegan???
Kurtz Garfield
Kurtz Garfield 5 måneder siden
Badass tool.
Mr Chips
Mr Chips 5 måneder siden
Wives hate br
RT Norland
RT Norland 5 måneder siden
Nothing but good stuff Finn and Newbern!
Lance Ward
Lance Ward 5 måneder siden
Very good episode with tons of useful info!
David vonAnderseck
David vonAnderseck 5 måneder siden
What about the catty
StumpyBuilt
StumpyBuilt 5 måneder siden
Check out hoovies garage they put a prius elec motor on the steering shaft for a manual rack.
Ryan Rask
Ryan Rask 5 måneder siden
What is the work light you use?
tim joris de vries
tim joris de vries 5 måneder siden
For finding the centre of a tube i use a piece of angle iron. Just put on top and draw a line.
Tucker Amidon
Tucker Amidon 5 måneder siden
GoPro fisheye @24:11 makes you boys look swole! (Or hunchback.)
Ross Purdy
Ross Purdy 5 måneder siden
Hey gang! Awesome build, love your stuff. Just wanted to reach out real quick with a little additional science for ya. When you're talking about the chlorinated brake clean you're absolutely correct about it transforming into phosgene gas. First off the stuff is neurotoxic which means the poisoning occurs in the brain and it's incredibly nasty and lethal. One whiff of the stuff is enough to kill an adult human. The actual transformation of the chlorine to the phosgene is why I wanted to write all this. You mentioned that it's when it's superheated and that's not quite accurate. What triggers the transformation is the UV light that the arc gives off. If you were gas welding for instance, you would still have the heat to melt the steel pipe, but not the intensity of the UV and I don't believe the transformation would occur. I wouldn't take the chance however. I read in a welding journal (journeyman welder here) about someone welding over a tiny puddle of brake clean (think rust pit size) and getting a funny smell for a split second. By that evening he had a blinding headache, he was vomiting uncontrollably and couldn't maintain a coherent thought train. His wife called the ambulance and he made it, but he suffers from memory issues, coordination deterioration and other nasty symptoms. So you were exactly correct, be super careful when using it, that you get the non-chlorinated version. CRC makes a really good one, because the chlorinated cans are red, and the non-chlorinated ones are green. Hope this helps! Stay safe!
Jarod Emahizer
Jarod Emahizer 5 måneder siden
great work! a suggestion for next time: @23:39 when you are trying to calculate the height needed. Next time, try leaving the tube in place on top of the quick disconnect as it already was. You know the laser is in the center of the tube, take a measurement vertically from where the laser is to the center of your attachment panel on the truck, and that should be your distance needed in the tube to raise it high enough to connect the two properly. Since the tube is already at 90* (parallel to the chassis) and your quick disconnect was installed at 90* (perpendicular to the chassis) the only variable you have to solve for at that point is the needed height between the laser's dot and the center on your attachment pannel on the firewall. Seriously love, not trying to armchair engineering just thought it might save you some time in the future.
scott stanley
scott stanley 5 måneder siden
Super video! I applauded for $2.00 👏
BlackDeath
BlackDeath 5 måneder siden
Mike I'd highly recommend looking into a universal electric steering rack. Not only can you adjust a setup like this to be more or less responsive with the turn of a knob but it also gives you power steering with just battery power - the vehicle doesn't have to be running! Check out a company called Turn One Steering or American Powertrain sells a kit now as well. Just throw a manual rack in there - add the power assist box - use any column you want BAM!
Robert Chaffee
Robert Chaffee 5 måneder siden
I like all the new fab tools you got and used on this project. keep up the great work.
batbat1156
batbat1156 5 måneder siden
Great video i learn a lot.
John Gray
John Gray 5 måneder siden
Worm Man
Kris.Ivanovv
Kris.Ivanovv 5 måneder siden
Mike, you can use VOLVO 2004-2013 Volvo C70 C30 S40 electric power stearing pump. It is compact and work super.
KSR Performance & Fabrication
Hey Mike, when you are completing the last weld on a tube that "caps" the pipe, you now have expanding air rushing through the hole that you are welding up as the tube is heating up and the air inside of the tube is expanding and looking for a place to get out! To prevent this, drill a hole in your plate that will pass into the center of the tube. This is also good practice for roll cages. Drill a small hole in the tube that you are landing your next tube to, but do it so that the hole will be covered by the new tube that you are now welding to the project.
AUSTIN
AUSTIN Måned siden
@Wy MCoupe yeah I didn't literally mean air, people typically used CO2 and I should have specified that
Wy MCoupe
Wy MCoupe Måned siden
@AUSTIN You wouldn't want to use it as something that changes pressure often. It will fill it with water from the moisture in the air and cause it to rust from the inside. You could fill it with non oxidizing gas like nitrogen to use it that way but that would be a waste of gas. And using a structural member under even as little as 10psi would be a bad idea if you get into a crash. I would imagine having your main hoop explode and split down the middle because it got stressed wouldn't be good for anybody.
AUSTIN
AUSTIN 4 måneder siden
@Nicholas Payne whats even more genius is using the cage as the air tank for the chute and wastegate
Nicholas Payne
Nicholas Payne 5 måneder siden
@Brett marcus that’s genius
Brett marcus
Brett marcus 5 måneder siden
You can also tap that hole for a schrader valve and then after welding, install the schrader valve. This lets you pressurize the tubes throughout the life of the cage to test for any weld failures.
Vailos Quiet
Vailos Quiet 5 måneder siden
use a late 2000s mr2 eletric pump from the mr2 spider
camaross92
camaross92 5 måneder siden
Could do some sheet metal inner fenders off the bars to the frame rail, maybe with some zeus clips lol. or dimple die some trusses for the 90°s.
Best Little Studio
Best Little Studio 5 måneder siden
Get yourself a lady that loves the smell of brakleen.
Centurial Inc
Centurial Inc 5 måneder siden
Thanks for showing our tools. Good work gentlemen.
Steven Lindsay
Steven Lindsay 5 måneder siden
Couldn't you measure from the laser point/dot to the center point of the fish plate? Instead of trying to hold the piece up and level and take a measurement.
lewis abbott
lewis abbott 5 måneder siden
If your struggling for room or aftermarket options. You can get a electric power steering which goes on the steering column which maybe an idea for you.
Pana Giotis
Pana Giotis 5 måneder siden
You boys need a Tapeboss!
Night Rider
Night Rider 5 måneder siden
Look at Cooper Bugatti 240 hydraulic power steering set up don't know if it's something you would be interested in
ltseven
ltseven 5 måneder siden
You kids do nice work
Jwy2063
Jwy2063 5 måneder siden
Gadget tools that actually work is awesome, good info 👍🏻,,, But with my 20 plus yrs of off-road cage, bumpers, rock sliders, etc fabing, another cool DIY tool is a 4'x3/8" break line, you can bend it to fit Many times over for exact angles and length (up to 4' , need longer get longer) ! Had to give my "2cents",,, AND YOU GUY ARE AWESOME 😎 LV THE CHANNEL !! AND at 12:03 GIT YA SAFETY GLASSES ON !!
Steven Paraone
Steven Paraone 5 måneder siden
About time Letz Goo
Dead End Garage
Dead End Garage 5 måneder siden
Check out electric power steering from a Prius. The motor is under dash out of sight.
B Doyle
B Doyle 5 måneder siden
Look into late model mopar stuff for power steering, I worked on a 2012 challenger 5.7 that had an electric power steering pump, it still takes fluid but its electric over hydraulic
pgf202
pgf202 5 måneder siden
MR2's, Volvos, and possibly a newer Mini have power steering pumps that are driven with a motor so you can keep the rack the way it is and mount the pump where ever you want. My Race Shop LLC makes a programable controller for the MR2 pump if you go that route.
Dan L
Dan L 5 måneder siden
Now take and scratch those marks permanently into that cheater pipe for when the marker rubs off.
Cody Thomforde
Cody Thomforde 5 måneder siden
Toyota mr 2 has electric power steering that’s easy to modify
herculesrockafeller
herculesrockafeller 5 måneder siden
The Car Wizard did electric power steering from a Prius in Hoovie’s ‘GT 350’
JFK64 Kennedy
JFK64 Kennedy 5 måneder siden
quick way to find tube centerline, take combination sq, set blade of square to oa pipe diameter, yes diameter...put cast part of sq on top of pipe, blade down side, get blade end flat against table, flat surface and pull square down pipe, pushing blade hard against pipe, the blade will scratch pipe in center, and if need, can also mark top, exactly perpendicular, 90 deg. from 1st line
BMC Turbo and Fab
BMC Turbo and Fab 5 måneder siden
23:30 mark, just point the laser to the centerline on the firewall and measure the distance to your target. You won’t have to try and hold the tube level and measure and keep it on target with the laser all at the same time 👍🏻
Zack Loftis
Zack Loftis 5 måneder siden
MR2 power steering pump
Deck Ape
Deck Ape 5 måneder siden
When I turned 50 I realized that I didn't know as much as I did when I was 25. I enjoy your explanations, they are on the line of "You have brains but maybe didn't know this."
Tyler Lewis
Tyler Lewis 5 måneder siden
This was the exact video I was looking for, without looking for it.
mason shipman
mason shipman 5 måneder siden
also, just do prius/saturn electric steering assist.
mason shipman
mason shipman 5 måneder siden
come drive my volvo swapped datsun bullet side and then sponsor me thanks
Manny S
Manny S 5 måneder siden
I was all-in on the C10...but I think I'm loving (& wanting more of) the Cadillac content! #FSM
mindwreckRC
mindwreckRC 5 måneder siden
look up ford/volvo electric steering pump. you can remote mount it anywhere. used in a lot of different hot rods and swaps.
Jack Hoff
Jack Hoff 5 måneder siden
The weld on the tube didn't loose argon coverage, it blew out. You crated a sealed chamber and heated it up. when you seal up a tube like that you need to drill a small hole to relive the pressure.
Andy Yarnell
Andy Yarnell 5 måneder siden
Nice tube work
callthemall
callthemall 5 måneder siden
Drinking game: drink every time Mike says bend.
Evan Lesinski
Evan Lesinski 5 måneder siden
Another great channel is Bad Obsession Motorsport. They shoe horned a 4wd Toyota into a classic mini. They ended up using a electric over hydraulic Mercedes power steering pump.
dopesquatch
dopesquatch 5 måneder siden
The laser cant just fit in the tube without the profile part?
Rob Roten
Rob Roten 5 måneder siden
"Be really careful!" As he wipes down tubing with a rag soaked in acetone WITH HIS BARE HANDS!
steve goodwin
steve goodwin 5 måneder siden
Friendly observation... Guys when Mike celebrated at the end of the video I noticed a much better stereo sound. Was that because the video was taken with a different device?
W J
W J 5 måneder siden
Well, gr8 work guys and totally informative and simplified technical training for people who also have OCD to some degree!!! Oh, what's going on with the Cadillac?
JimPeachley
JimPeachley 5 måneder siden
Could the struts be tilted out toward the fenders to create more clearance around the engine? Maybe you could loosely hose clamp a ruler to the mock-up bend so it could be slid out to measure the needed additional length.
CertifiedCarNut
CertifiedCarNut 5 måneder siden
This truck is the US version of Binky...
DEATHSTROKE
DEATHSTROKE 5 måneder siden
Newbern's a gem bro, look after that guy.
sas86toy
sas86toy 5 måneder siden
Need a weep hole in tube to allow excess gases to escape that’s why it blows out where your trying to finish the weld..... I would of put on backside of that firewall plate where it’ll be covered 🤙🏼
sas86toy
sas86toy 5 måneder siden
lol just seen that’s already been commented ... oops but drilling a #30 hole behind firewall plate would be a good spot.
CoRy35744
CoRy35744 5 måneder siden
Holley makes an Accessory Drive System and Power Steering Add-On Kits for GM Gen V LT4's www.holley.com/products/engine/accessory_drive_brackets_and_kits/gm_gen_v_lt/
Shayne Gadsden
Shayne Gadsden 5 måneder siden
with the power steering there are electric hydraulic options, instead of an engine drive hydraulic pump or electric power steer it's an electric power steer pump so the steering is still a hydraulic rack but the pump can just be mounted on the firewall or anywhere really the car i was looking at for here Australia was a 1998-2006 Holden Astra so i imagine a similar year GM compact hatch would have a similar unit
hq632
hq632 5 måneder siden
In Australia it’s pretty popular to use a 1998 - 2008 Holden astra (not sure if GM sold them in US or not) power steering pump for conversions. they are an electric pump that can be plumbed into a hydraulic rack. Can also be remote mounted out of engine bay.
mk2vrt
mk2vrt 5 måneder siden
Hey jackals you can weld a t I've completely closed without drilling a whole Also mr2 and valvo have electric power steering in the trunk
Shaun Hensley
Shaun Hensley 5 måneder siden
Bro that's awesome watching you teach yourself tubing. I went through something similar with instrument tubing on my last major project and I know exactly your pain😂
Tim Johansson
Tim Johansson 5 måneder siden
Hi Finnegan, Regarding your Power Steering trouble there are options. 1. Electric power steering. Use power steering rack and control unit from a Toyota Prius, easily installed and wired up. There's even a wire up on this at Hotrod Magazine website! Pros on using the Toyota electrical power steering is that they go in to failsafe mode with no CANBUS connected so they have a constant, fairly normal, power steering assist instead of variable with speed. GM units don't work AT ALL without CANBUS or a CANBUS simulator. 2. Electrical PS pump from a modern Volvo, like an S60 or similar. 12v supply and ground. That's it. Can be remote mounted.
Clayton Pereversoff
Clayton Pereversoff 5 måneder siden
What is that orange lathe in the back round?
Rhys Sutherland
Rhys Sutherland 5 måneder siden
12 volt Dave with the safety squint. Made my day
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